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Poster: Gandrews Date: Feb 4, 2007 9:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

Could someone please upload these? They're both public domain and considered to be fairly important for their respective genres. They aren't up for download on any other site either.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 7, 2007 11:18am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

"Would it come under the same laws that prohibit displaying swastikas and such? I wouldn't want to see k-otic get into trouble for it.
Thats why i said "it`s still nazi propaganda"
in my country it`s forbidden by law to spread nazi propaganda and when i upload it to the archive i make it accessible for the general public :(

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Poster: Gandrews Date: Feb 7, 2007 1:46pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

That's understandable. Can you do Vampyr though?

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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 9, 2007 11:06am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

mmhh i was told that this would be a waste of time ... and when i think about it .. this guy is right ...
sorry .. maybe you will find some one else that is kind enough to upload their public domain movies

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Poster: jonc Date: Feb 9, 2007 2:36pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

k-otic, I'm not sure why you feel that way. Your contributions here are appreciated by many.

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Feb 9, 2007 11:38am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

Does that mean you're not going to share any more of them? Rats! I was enjoying the ones you uploaded. :)

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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 10, 2007 2:43am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

i know ... but i`m doing this for some years now and it is getting more and more pointless to me ...
besides i`ve some problems in my real life i`ve to deal with at the moment
and on the other hand, there are a few people starting to upload their stuff to the archive
so there is no real ´need´ of me anymore
sorry for letting you down on vampyre but i just need some time off .. that`s all

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Poster: Floatingweeds Date: Feb 10, 2007 3:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

Don't worry about it K-otic you owe us nothing
Thank you for introducing me to the wonders of Rashomon, The Halls of Montezuma, Early Hitchcock and best of all the work Edgar G. Ulmer (without Detour I would never have looked into him). If anyone deserves a break (in both senses) you do. Thank you for all you've done and I hope your personal problems are resolved swiftly.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Mar 1, 2007 7:31am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

Triumph of the Will is now available at:

http://www.archive.org/details/Triumphofthewill.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 6, 2007 3:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

it is true that "Triumph of the will" shows events of historical importance but its still nazi propaganda
On the other hand I only own a copy without subtitles and i`m not sure if the movie is in the public domain

i also own these early films by Leni Riefenstahl made for the nazi party

Sieg des Glaubens (1933) - A film about the NSDAP's 5th Reich Party Congress

Tag der Freiheit!- Unsere Wehrmacht! (1935) - Documentary film about the Wehrmacht's manoeuvre during the NSDAP's 7th Reich Party Congress

OLYMPIA (1938)
Part 1: FEST DER VÖLKER
Part 2: FEST DER SCHÖNHEIT

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Poster: jonc Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

I believe "Triumph of the will" is PD. Wouldn't know how to verify German titles though. For what it's worth, Wikipedia shows it on their list. Not 100% reliable though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Public_domain_films&from=Sanshiro+Sugata

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Feb 6, 2007 11:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

K-otic, I don't mean to be pushy. I'm not German, so I may be completely off-base here.

For my part, I think that the Nazi propaganda is unlikely to fuel any actual fascism today. The Third Reich has been equated wth evil for several generations now, and outside of a few misfits, nobody seems likely to change their minds about that.

The historical value of "Triumph of the Will" strikes me as twofold. First, it's instructive to see the methods by which Nazism was sold to a populace that, by and large, was comprised of people who were decent, hardworking and kind to their neighbors, Jewish or Gentile. Most of the people who were originally inspired by "Triumph of the Will" are dead now, and the survivors are acutely aware of the harm that was done.

Second, it reminds us that the German people actually WERE people, not merely the faceless villains of war movies. Most Germans weren't members of the Nazi party, and to them, the rise of Hitler initially meant merely prosperity and national strength. Those are things people in any country want. The terrible things that accompanied them in Germany were not what the average German bargained for.

"Triumph of the Will" seems to have been more an appeal to patriotism than an incitement to hatred. Patriotism is not in and of itself a bad thing, and to a nation impoverished and humiliated, it must have been like water in the desert. That popular patriotism was them manipulated to accomplish evil ends.

However, as I say, I'm not German, and I don't have k-otic's sensitivity on the subject. It also occurs to me that in Germany there might be legal issues with posting old propaganda films. Would it come under the same laws that prohibit displaying swastikas and such? I wouldn't want to see k-otic get into trouble for it.

I'd be interested in seeing it (and I think can follow it without the subtitles), but I wouldn't want to burden your conscience if you don't feel right sharing it.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 5, 2007 1:00am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

mmhh i`ve both ... but as german i have a problem with "Triumph of the Will" because of its inappropriate content

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Poster: Gandrews Date: Feb 5, 2007 2:46pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

Triumph of the will is an important document of 20th century history though. It does portray terrible things, but they're terrible things people should not forget.

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Poster: jonc Date: Feb 5, 2007 9:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

A shame. This has great historical value for its recording of the passion and the frenzy of the Nazi movement. It was also groundbreaking in its technical expertise. Yes, it would offend some, but in a time when many young people are unaware of this spectacle and the tragedy that followed, it could be a great educational tool.

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Poster: egaeus Date: Sep 3, 2009 7:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

Triumph of the Will is no longer in the public domain as a result of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act, which has restored copyright protection to foreign works previously in the public domain in the US.

You can read more on this issue in the following article:

http://www.ninch.org/copyright/2000/chicagozorich.html